Morrissey- Years of Refusal

Damn damn damn! I wonder if she's going on second. I wish I could goooooo!

I've been rejoicing the last hour or so - then I come over here and see that ya'll are 4hours ahead of me.
So.... I hear that he's opening for her.......ha, nah, I just made that up.  But it would be the gentlemanly thing to do.

Rachel you are going to go?  That's great - I just looked up tickets - none in the pit - all in the double letter orchestra main floor $85 each.  I would sooooooo go by myself.  Dammit, I have to see if that's even possible - so you are going for sure Rachel?

I'm so GIDDY

This is so fucking cool! I really wish I could go! Damn.

Yes, it would be the gentlemanly thi -

Oh, Morrissey. -----> Hi.

(Am I the only one who's getting a big Years of Refusal ad on this page now? I doubt it.)

I'm going for sure, Kyk. My partner too. Tickets are bought. I doubt we'll suffer too much getting to the front during KY's set, unless the staff at this theater are real martinets, and even then I feel like some advice from serious Morrissey people will help. I'll have to consult them.

You know, if anyone's going to this show, Samantha Skinazi is - I should write her. She's a big enough KY fan to interview her, and the one time we met, she was actually in the process of demonstrating the art of getting to the front at a Bay Area show. It was exquisite.

All the same, I hope they do it once or twice, for auld lang syne, and then get out.

I don't know if I can take what some of his fans can shell out a second time. I know there is nothing more avoidable than a faction of Morrissey fans, but I'm starting to remember how exhausting it was to have them making their critiques of KY's personal habits and sexual hygiene all the time, or at least turning everything he did with regard to her into more of their court politics; I could never not look.

I would hate it if everything I did were interpreted to that degree - if people were always turning me into a character in a story they wrote, and if that included making my friends into heroes or villains without their permission. It would be like being Marie Antoinette, having her baby in front of everyone to show it was real and legitimate. (That's not just a legend, right?).

I still think I'll go to the show, but for the future, I'd rather see her in a club; I'd rather not see him at all. Fan drama can't be allowed to ruin the love and inspiration I get out of my admiration for them both as artists.

I don't get why the fans can't be courteous, at least.

No offense to anyone on this board or elsewhere, but it seems to me that MANY of Morrisey's fans just can't handle the "heaviness" of Kristeen's music.  Her stuff is really in a different league than M's, and I think she's just too plain INTENSE for them.

Usually at "alternative" shows, people enjoy the variety.  Weird.

I feel most Morrissey fans arent really "alternative" these days. Its not the same feel as when most of them were younger. Its kinda transcended into that cult crowd feel. As in if it isnt Morrissey or anything like Morrissey then its just unacceptable.

People were so digging the openning band at the carnegie hall show. They were a boy band from england that had that typical post-punk influenced sound. I think theyre called the courteneers or something of the sort. Not very memorable to be honest. But my point is that the crowd enjoyed it because its much closer to moz sound/style/gender in comparisson to KY. Morrissey loves KY because theyre talent and fresh and real. That to me is definitive alternative (to the shit that the world is inundated with).

And on the alt note:
I feel like KY is like a multi-dimensional time anomaly. If she were doing her thing in 1979 to 1980-something she would be one of those alternative bands that people admire today. And at the same time I feel like she is the sound of the future. Not just the sound but a reprisentation. When I first saw that live performance of 9 on her website, the first thought in my head was "Korova Milk Bar." Total futurism unreal alien foreign alternate. Like where the past and future meet in our present..... timeless really.

And I apologize for off topic "soap-boxing": I was just feeling it at the moment haha.

Evelyn, what you say really resonates. I DO think that KY is sort of misplaced in time. She needs to be of the 80s or 70s. Maybe as time recedes further, it'll help, and people will someday say "Oh, I always think she was earlier, but she's not..."

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the Courteeners, but yeah, I think the rapturous response to them on the Moz boards has a lot to do with stylistic similarity. They're more rapture-prone.

Ev, yes - I do understand what you are saying.  It bothers and I think I am starting to understand why too.  I walked into a Moz show in Greenville I think it was and it was like walking into shiny happy yuppie people land.  Most mid-thirties, well dressed, clean-cut.  Gone were the punks of yore and yesteryear.  I turned left to the nearest ladies room and looked towards the mirror and I saw another shiny happy yuppie mid-thirties, ahem, looking back at me.  I grew up loving the Smiths and Moz and all things alternative but what happens when you get older is things just get misfucked around about  and just change.  I gravitate towards the alt music and the indie stuff and the freaky cabaret stuff and dirty gritty good stuff that's real, but what sucks is when you are working in a professional job where what you do/ who you are / what you like/ is compared and judged, it affects who you are whether you like it or not.  It wears on you I think.  I don't really feel like any of my co-workers really know me - or what I like because it is considered a little 'different' - I don't care, but I do because I look at my 'career' or whatever you want to call it as somewhere I can get satisfaction from, I like fixing things and get some sort of lame satifisfaction from seeing things work.  But to do better in a career you have to have support from your peers.  It becomes more and more important to socialize with people that you have nothing in common with.  I have no kids, and that right there, when you are mid-thirties (ahem) female cuts me right off with any commonality in that regard.  I like intense music, but I also go to work every day (sometimes in a suit -ew, ugh) and play the part.   At least I'm being real by admitting it.  But I do feel a little more ying where others of my peer group yang; I contribute to both by trying to stay afloat in this workfarce, I mean workforce.

What I love about Kristeen is the way she is able to maintain her feminity, regalness, composure, grace, beauty, loveliness, while singing about having the kind of sex that says fuck you.  or about cock radio and tough titty said the kitty but the milk tastes good.  And other deeper, intense lyrically and vocally and all while humping the black keys.  Damn I love that chick.  Anyway, thanks for listening.  Hope I made sense at all, especially the first paragraph.  It was all run-on but I am just trying to be honest about I guess you could call it somewhat of a conflict sometimes.  I wish I could work in the art or music world and lose myself that way.  But right now, I am a nerdy programmer.

I do still love/hate Moz - he still gives great show, probably always will, but it is very very different now.  I just appreciate it for what it is and try not to compare it to what it was.   He's lost the edge, I don't identify with his lyrics anymore like I used to - I don't feel it, you know, the thing you feel when you are listening to a phenomenal artist that speaks to your soul (ew, getting too deep here, sorry)  Kristeen has that thing.
OK, done.   :)

I do still love/hate Moz - he still gives great show...

-kykeeper

Nice.

Good points all around---and it's funny: I've been to countless hardcore matinees at CBGB's in the 80s and there were always people there with SMITHS shirts---it seemed that the alt-people had more respect for Mozz back then.  Weird.

word. when did the hardcore crowd turn into the yuppie crowd?

No idea!!!

I'm going to go to the Seattle and Portland shows.... I went to high school in Olympia, WA -  most of my family is still there. So I can see them too.   

You went to school in Olympia?

How cool is that?

Though I have in mind that you are too young to have been there during Riot Grrrl, and certainly too young to have encountered Courtney Love. Still...

I'm probably just going to Portland, San Jose and Oakland (both Oaklands). The Seattle show conflicts with a local event, and I decided I don't drive many *many* hours if I don't get at least two sets out of it. I am the enemy of art.

(Local event is a fashion show...my town has a good DIY/modifying/resale fashion scene, and by "scene" I mean there are a dozen decent designers and five stores. Still, it's really great for a town this size, and has been one of the things that has made living here survivable for me.)

"I went to school.... in Olym-pee-yaaaa....where everything's the same....."  -Courtney Love
hahah that's funny you mentioned that Rachel!

ACTUALLY, that's Kurt's song, not Courtney's.... she STOLE it, along with his world; she was the woman who sold his world that's for sure. (groaning at pun)

She could have sweet talked him out of the song, not sure...  She didn't go to school there, but Kurt Cobain did.  Actually in Aberdeen, but Olympia is more phoenetically pleasing.  I got to see him play a couple times in downtown Olympia when his band was called "Kurt's Band"  ha.  I met him once, he had a lot of hair in his face at the time - blue eyes peeping out.  awww...

I remember standing in line for a Fugazi show at the same venue once but the line was too long so we left (BAD DECISION)

More or less I had friends that knew him, I didn't know him directly.  But yes, huge music scene over there but I was a late bloomer and didn't get into that until Senior year in HS and Kurt Cobain was 7 or 8 years older than me I think, I don't remember how old he was - something like that.

That's great about the fashion event you have going on, how fun.  Do you design, sew, model or all of the above?

Really? Hmm. Because I actually like "Olympia" better than anything of his that I know. XD I generally like Hole better though I have a soft spot for Kurt as a man. Maybe it's just the best song he's ever written, or maybe I'm being dealt a lesson in the importance of circumstance to the perception of art.

I have done all, but very little and very low-level (I mean, I walked in a college show wearing a day dress I had legitimately made, but which was very hard to re-create as large parts of it had to be tied or glued on). I think when it comes to the actual production of clothes I'll always be a wannabe, though you never know what skills a person can pick up with practice.

Except for languages.